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daddio
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9/11/2009
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Interesting reading. Your thoughts? Someone in Washington needs to read this. Maybe they'll get some fresh ideas.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-weil-md/the-wrong-diagnosis_b_254227.html
I'm worried -- and if I'm worried, you should be, too.
The reason I'm worried is that the wrong diagnosis is being made.
As any doctor can tell you, the most crucial step toward healing is having the right diagnosis. If the disease is precisely identified, a good resolution is far more likely. Conversely, a bad diagnosis usually means a bad outcome, no matter how skilled the physician.
And, what's true in personal health care is just as true in national health care reform: Healing begins with the correct diagnosis of the problem.
Washington is working on reform initiatives that focus on one problem: the fact that the system is too expensive (and consequently too exclusive.) Reform proposals, such as the "public option" for government insurance or calls for drug makers to drop prices, are aimed mostly at boosting affordability and access. Make it cheap enough, the thinking goes, and the 46 million Americans who can't afford coverage will finally get their fair share.
But what's missing, tragically, is a diagnosis of the real, far more fundamental problem, which is that what's even worse than its stratospheric cost is the fact that American health care doesn't fulfill its prime directive -- it does not help people become or stay healthy. It's not a health care system at all; it's a disease management system, and making the current system cheaper and more accessible will just spread the dysfunction more broadly.
It's impossible to make our drug-intensive, technology-centric, and corrupt system affordable. Consider that Americans spent $8.4 billion on medicine in 1950, vs. an astonishing 2.3 trillion in 2007. That's $30,000 annually for a family of four. The bloated structure of endless, marginal-return tests; patent-protected drugs and "heroic" surgical interventions for virtually every health problem simply can't be made much cheaper due to its very nature. Costs can only be shifted in various unpalatable ways.
So, a far more salient question that must be addressed is: Are we getting good health for our trillions? Unfortunately, the answer is a resounding, "No." The U.S. ranked near the very bottom of the top 40 nations -- below Columbia, Chile, Costa Rica and Dominica -- in a rating of health systems by the World Health Organization in 2000. In short, we pay about twice as much per capita for our health care as does the rest of the developed world, and we have almost nothing to show for it.
I'm not against high-tech medicine. It has a secure place in the diagnosis and treatment of serious disease. But our health care professionals are currently using it for everything, and the cost is going to break us.
In the future, this kind of medicine must be limited to those cases in which it is clearly indicated: trauma, acute and critical conditions, disease involving vital organs, etc. It should be viewed as a specialized form of medicine, perhaps offered only in major centers serving large populations.
Most cases of disease should be managed in other, more affordable ways. Functional, cost-effective health care must be based on a new kind of medicine that relies on the human organism's innate capacity for self-regulation and healing. It would use inexpensive, low-tech interventions for the management of the commonest forms of disease. It would be a system that puts the health back into health care. And it would also happen to be far less expensive than what we have now.
If we can make the correct diagnosis, the healing can begin. If we can't, both our personal health and our economy are doomed.
Politicians aren't going to resolve this issue overnight. Any health care reform bill that gets jammed through Congress in the next month or two will be dangerously flawed. Washington needs to take a step back and re-examine the entire task with an eye toward achieving the most effective solution, not the cheapest and most expeditious.
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I'm worried -- and if I'm worried, you should be, too. The reason I'm worried is that the wrong diagnosis is being made. As any doctor can tell you, the most crucial step toward healing is having ...
I'm worried -- and if I'm worried, you should be, too. The reason I'm worried is that the wrong diagnosis is being made. As any doctor can tell you, the most crucial step toward healing is having ...
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Kowalski
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9/12/2009
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How many of you believe that America is the greatest country in the world ?
I have a feeling most of you feel that way.
An interesting statistic has been raised by daddio here. We rank 37 out of the top 40 countries. Here's a link if you'd like to see who is ahead of us.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
That ranking is shameful; and to rank that low we are number 1 in health care spending per capita. So there are a lot of countries we could be looking at to see how we could do better.
One thing that unites many of the countries ahead of us is a national health care plan. And it may even be most or all of them, but I wasn't able to find that info easily. But the republicans are out to sabotage progress toward that by any means, including deceitful distortion. The only reason they are talking about health care reforms at all is that the democrats have forced it upon them. It would seem to be better to stop that resistance to progress and work cooperatively on this.
Now a lot of you guys (not daddio) have bought into that foolishness. You are helping to spread the deceitful distortions, and when you are called out on that, the discussion devolves into your side calling people names that they are not. Then the other side maybe decides that turnabout is fair play and gives you a taste of your own "medicine". That is not the path to progress; so I have a challenge that might interest some of you here. It is obvious you do not like me posting in defense of a national health care plan. If any of you can document that more than half of the countries ahead of us do not have a national health care plan in place, I will stop posting in defense of that. But I will expect (and I think daddio has the same expectation) that discussion of that point on this thread be done without the pointless name calling and deceitful distortions.
Are any of you up to that challenge ? Or are the majority of the republicans voicing their opinion on this board only here to derail that idea using grade school tactics ?
Lead, follow, or get out of the way
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9/12/2009
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The thing that gets me, They know how to comment but not read or listen. They don't want a gov. plan forced on them.
Guess what....
There won't be!!!!!
If they had bothered to listen and/or read.
It will be another OPTION!
READ = OPTION !! Means another choice!
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From Websters
* Main Entry: 1op·tion
* Pronunciation: \ˈäp-shən\
* Function: noun
* Etymology: French, from Latin option-, optio free choice; akin to Latin optare to choose
* Date: 1593
1 : an act of choosing
2 a : the power or right to choose : freedom of choice b : a privilege of demanding fulfillment of a contract on any day within a specified time c : a contract conveying a right to buy or sell designated securities, commodities, or property interest at a specified price during a stipulated period; also : the right conveyed by an option d : a right of an insured person to choose the form in which payments due on a policy shall be made or applied
3 : something that may be chosen: as a : an alternative course of action <didn't have many options open> b : an item that is offered in addition to or in place of standard equipment
4 : an offensive football play in which a back may choose whether to pass or run with the ball —called also option play
synonyms see choice
Not Mandatory !! Meaning YOU HAVE TOO!
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* Main Entry: 1man·da·to·ry
* Pronunciation: \ˈman-də-ˌtȯr-ē\
* Function: adjective
* Date: 15th century
1 : containing or constituting a command : obligatory <the mandatory retirement age>
2 : of, by, relating to, or holding a League of Nations mandate
— man·da·tor·i·ly \-ˌtȯr-ə-lē\ adverb
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9/12/2009
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Forgot to ad, Good posts from both Kowalski & daddio
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Kowalski
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9/15/2009
07:38:36
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I see more deceitful distortions on another health reform thread here, is that all you guys can come up with ?
Is no one up to my challenge ?
Or are the majority of the republicans voicing their opinion on this board only here to derail the idea of a national health plan by using grade school tactics ?
Lead, follow, or get out of the way
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will Rogers
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9/15/2009
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Will Rogers was talking to a group about a popular leader and his followers. Boys, you are involved in a greased pig contest and you need to understand that the pig likes it. Kow, you can keep the pin for yourself.
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Dodge Dakota
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9/15/2009
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will Rogers = Oral Roberts
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Kowalski
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9/16/2009
08:57:49
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Is more derogatory comments really all the republicans can add to this discussion ?
If my posting in advocasy of a national health plan makes you that upset, why not man up and take my challenge ?
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tomookow
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9/17/2009
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We have shown repeatedly that the dems and you(comrade kow from the peoples republic of mass.) lie constently about the healthcare bill. From hiding the real cost, to the hidden agendas buryed in its lanuage. You just denie all of it. You mookow, are the worst. You supported obamas call to pass a bill in july-then you claim that you could not read the bill in aug. as there wasn,t one single bill to read. You repeatedly told us what wasn,t in the the senate bill that you never read. Many high ranked lawyers talked on many programs showing that what you claim were lies really IS IN THE BILL. You say there are no czars, but that label has been used by the last three pres. Only now do the dem talking heads deny that word and you repeat it-(you are a good milk kow-following the herd). It was shown that Van Jones listed himself as a cummunist and you denied it. It was shown that at least one other obama czar listed himself as a cummunist and one as a marzist. Again you denied reality, choosing to live in you socalist dream of goverment protection. Obama is jimmy carter on speed. we cannot afford him and you follow him with a bell around your neck. You said that we could agree to disagree then attacked when we backed off. Sounds like the terrists. So we stand against you once more. One last thing-are you a member of acorn? They sound alot like you.
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Kowalski
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9/17/2009
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More lies, name calling and distortion from the republicans - or should I say bucket, perhaps hiding behind another name here ? Says he doesn't do that, but then he is a proven phony. As I've adressed many of the distortions already, let's move on to the most recent "You said that we could agree to disagree then attacked when we backed off." Another shameless lie from the right. You never backed off; you are still trying to get cheap shots in. We can agree to disagree, if you stop that grade school nonsense. Or we can all keep posting, it's up to you. By the way, you are hallucinating if you think I posted the thread made yesterday by "YES". Not the first time you have replied as though some one else's post was mine either.
Have you ever considered a rational debate, without the name calling ? And don't forget the challenge I issued earlier in this thread. Meet the challenge, and I stop posting on this. That's a very generous offer compared to the pointless name calling you keep reverting to. Not man enough to take the challenge ?
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tomookow
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9/17/2009
11:25:58
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You racist prig. You put forth dem lies and when the dems trot out the race card, you use it too.(to others-refer to his other rants). you are an echo of the dem controled lib media. You have been proven wrong many times but continue spew the same lies. (This is a sign of a very sick mind). you then project your attack metheds on to us and say how mean and childish. Its your playground we fight on. You are sick. You lie-period. If you can not see that- take your meds as the doc said and call him as the court ordered.. As for us-Using the libs own handbook-we will confront your lies every time you spew forth your crap...
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wow
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9/17/2009
11:32:55
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you,ve got it wrong. ski is a lib sheep going ba, ba , ba around the field following the dem teat looking for more goverment milk. Thats why he is so angry about losing.
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Kowalski
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9/17/2009
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You are the liar here; and your lies are easily exposed. Obviously I am not a cow or a sheep. Your continual lies and name calling reveal the weakness of your argument. I have not been proven wrong - illegals will continue to get free health care and the insurance industry will continue to ration health care with or without passage of any new bill now under consideration. The exposure of those distortions can be independently verified. Let's see you try to verify that I am a cow or a lamb. You are also wrong about your claim that I am angry or losing. Perhaps you are angry that you can't beat me down with your name calling or distortions ? I suppose that is why a couple of you have admonished be to stay calm, must be you that is getting your dander up. I am perfectly calm; andI have not resorted to calling people things that they are not. That is your right wing tactic, and it speaks volumes about how desperately you are struggling to present your position. Off to the races for the weekend now. I presume you'll still be talking to yourself here when I get back Tuesday...
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9/17/2009
14:10:56
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"I presume you'll still be talking to yourself here when I get back Tuesday..."
Him an his 14 other alias
The more I read buckets posts
The more childish he looks
I'm still waiting and expect him to use the line
"I know you are but what am I"
Kowalski, Have a good safe trip bro
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daddio
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9/17/2009
14:49:40
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All I can say is, WOW! I try to bring a little intelligent conversation into an otherwise rant ridden board and it goes to crap in less than one page.
I give up. I'll keep my views and thoughts of the world to myself and keep my postings to Dakotas only with maybe the occasional joke.
One last thought, They are trying to cram a bill through that is in no way ready. You are talking about affecting a multi-billion dollar industry and it cannot be taken lightly or be rushed into. All sides have to taken into account, from pharmacuetical giants, hospitals and poor John Q. Public living in the street. I do not trust my government. As I see it they do not have my best interest at heart. All they are thinking about is "What's in it for me?".
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Hola
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9/17/2009
18:50:57
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John Q
now there is a good movie!
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Bucket
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9/17/2009
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Thats amazing! i stay out of this thread out of pure respect for daddio and kowalski's paranoia kicks in and today when i finally start to read the posts he's accusing me of being the guy thats been calling him on his bolony, but thus far this is my first post, sorry daddio...i tried to stay out of this one. Kowalski i am not the only guy in here that thinks your full of sh!t, but as i read down this guy's got your number because you get really ticked when he calls your B.S... you never answer him, you still hide behind your talking points, i let you slide because your from mass...i understand your dilema, this guy is not letting you off the hook anytime soon so you just pass it off as being me. I told you i only post as Bucket. Tomookow is a tough cookie and dont blame Bucket when he steam rolls you.Once again daddio i apologize for having to defend myself.
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aha ha ha ha
Dodge Dakota
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9/18/2009
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nice tactic buckie boy
but it wont work
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ecdak
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9/18/2009
02:37:23
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this is not even worth trying to defend your point here bucket. The trolls and Kowi have taken over here and this place is worthless because of it.
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Readthebill
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9/18/2009
06:06:39
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Just read the bill and don,t let the libs TELL you whats in it...Remember that over 90% of congree are lawyers.
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Kowalski
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9/22/2009
09:26:58
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By all means, read the bill - and when you do, consider these points:
The bill can not confer free care to illegals, when that is something they already get.
The bill can not create health care rationing; when that is something the insurance companies are already doing. All it would do is put control of that in the public domain. While I do not trust the government either, I trust big business even less.
Then stop to think - why are the republicans distorting these points to try to make you believe it's the reform bill that will bring us these things we already have ? To protect their allies in big business. Not because they have our best interests at heart.
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